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Submission to the Richard Commission

Jon Owen Jones, MP for Cardiff Central

From my experiences as an MP since the Welsh Assembly was set up I have serious concerns over the way primary legislation for Wales is both formed and scrutinised, under the present system we have effectively no open democratic scrutiny of measures which can have far-reaching effects on the people of Wales.

Having said that I need also to express the caveat that any serious extension of the powers of the Assembly would need a further referendum. If there were a consensus about this both in Wales and on a UK stage, perhaps this would not be necessary, but there is no sign of this occuring. Without such a consensus any serious extension of the Assembly’s powers, such as giving it tax-raising or primary legislative powers would not be politically viable without a referendum.

The current democratic deficit

Currently I am sitting on the Health and Social Care Bill Standing Committee, which although largely unremarked by the Welsh press, in fact has far-reaching consequences for Wales: It will set up the body that will audit and inspect the NHS in Wales, and define the way in which it reports to the Assembly; it will decide whether the National Assembly has the powers to setup foundation hospitals, and many other issues which will directly affect patients and workers in the NHS in Wales.

The current system for formulating this legislation is a process of negotiation between the Welsh Assembly Government and Ministers in Westminster. Backbench MPs, AMs, the press and the public are not privy to these discussion, and have no way of imputing into them.

The detailed scrutiny the Health bill is getting involves me (the only Welsh member of the standing committee other than its chairman who does not speak) asking questions of a Minister, who has no ownership of or interest in the Welsh elements within the Bill, their stock answer is "this is what came out of discussions with the Welsh Assembly". Even this however is preferable to the situation that could easily arise where there are no interested Welsh members on a standing committee, and where Welsh proposals would receive no scrutiny.

On the floor of the House of Commons the major English elements of the Bill will dominate both the debates and the voting intentions of individuals and parties, with the possible exception of Plaid Cymru. It would be unrealistic to expect anything else.

I supported devolution to make politics in Wales more democratic and more accountable, the situation as it is now is less open and less accountable in terms of legislation, this is a major flaw.

There are two obvious solutions to these problems, one is to give the National Assembly more law-making powers, the other is to give Welsh MPs more ability to scrutinise Legislation for Wales, without taking up valuable time on the floor of the House of Commons (which the Westminster Government would never agree to).

 

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